By Oldtimer (from another website about Roulette)

Hello.I would like to introduce myself.My name in here will be oldtimer.I preface not to use my real name because not only forums members are watching this forum.I like being careful.I am 62 years old and I am playing roulette more than 27 years.I had no idea that the visual prediction was so wide known.I also had no idea that you all called it visual ballistics.I thought that I was the one of the rare cases that I had found this way a lot of years ago.I found my visual prediction way by self.My son found this forum and informed me.I do not know how to use the internet.Maby that was the reason why i didn't t know all this time that this method was wide known.I read all posts here and I understood how you all make a prediction.
Not bad at all.You are doing it almost like my way.Only that you are doing one mistake that I can understand that can cost you loses sometimes.And this mistake is happening because you are aiming at the drop point that it is stronger. The tilted diamond as you all call it in here, is the mistake that can make you lose sometimes.I will try to explain you why.
The jump of the ball is a factor that is vital in wining.By choosing to aim at the diamond that the ball will fall the most of the times as a rule, is not a completely wise move to do. And this is the reason why you must not have problem to play in a wheel that had no dominant drop point. The odds that casinos provide in hitting a number are very ok.if betting 5 numbers per spin you need only 1 victory in 7 attempts.
Please allow me to give you all an example.
Let's say that we are playing in a roulette that has these hits at the diamonds in 10 spins3 at top d2 at low d4 at right d1 at left d
With you way of visual ballistics you would play with the diamond at the right.And who told you that the jump of the ball at the right d is playable?What I am trying to say is that the quantity of the times that will hit 1 d is not the right key to play.The key is the jump that the ball will make in these diamonds.If we will see that the jump of the ball has a better pattern at the top d ,then we must aim at this one.The jump of the ball is being produced by the spot that the ball will hit the diamond.Top part will make a wider and less manageable jump.A center hit will make a good pattern. A lower part hit will make the ball most of the times to stop almost at the pocket that was under the d.This was not a rule of thumb. Different ball and different kind of pockets (high, low, wide,not wide)will make deferent pattern, but there is always a pattern.The victories should not be pleanty,but they should be stable to overcome the casinos edge in long term.Also as you all know in some spins we win by luck ,so this is making things even better.That is why I never cared to play in a wheel that has a strong fall off point.Of course I would never choose the weakest one.But in casinos wheels after 1998 as I can remember there were no tilted roulettes.They know that players that use physics prefare the tilted roulettes so they removed them.Today with my experience the 90 of the 100 roulettes are without a stronger drop point.
So the lesson of this post is that the jump of the ball will show us of which diamond to aim.
you must have a high sence of the particular rotation of the ball.In my case it is a very rare case to miss the correct moment.I think it is matter of training.Some members in here they say that it is hard and cose it impposibe.This is not right.
Also the prediction with a roulette computer in a roulette that is it not tilted in my opinion is useless.The reason is that it adds the same jump no matter at which diamond the ball will hit.Imagine the ball to hit our aiming diamond in 1 spin and the computer to make a mistake in that particular spin and predict with a remaining time that the ball will hit the other diamond .it will be a disaster.Now who can tell us when the ball will hit this diamond again and take the good advantage of the good jump of the ball?As I told u above only 1 diamond will be the key.In the older days ofcourse almost all diamonds hits could make the same jump because the balls that were used were big and heavier.Good old days!And here is a story for you.In the year 1987 I was in my best understandind I had developed my best skills of the game.With the conditions that the roulettes were in that time I managed to closed 4 roulettes tables.They threw a black sheet on the table and they banned me forever in these 4 casinos.The advantage now is smaller...Tiny I would say!Can you all read it properly and take the full of it???This is the question that you should all bother with.It's your choice.I just wanted to share my experiences with you.
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Thank you security man for the welcoming.The thing that I said about the computers was only of what I have understood from all the posts and the videos that I saw in here.I think that I have understood how computer calculates ,but if I am wrong then my judgment is not correct. So I will not say anything about computers anymore .My section is only about visual prediction.
Gigino I really did not understand what u are trying to say.
There are a lot of ways and tricks that you can use in a visual prediction.5 of them are the basic weapons that you must have .1)have strong feeling of the correct moment of prediction.In other words the right rotation of the ball to hit your aiming diamond or diamonds.(I will explain what I mean by that)Without it and even if u know all the other things correct , you just have a machine gun without eyes to use it. 2) You must know the wheel layout like the back of your hand3) You must develop a rhythm to count every 1 second. I never used in my life metronomes as I read in here that players do for rotor calculation. 4) You must know the relationship of the numbers that will be in the advantage positions when the ball will hit any of the diamonds.This is something that none of you in here have ever mentioned!5) You must be able to bet 5 numbers in 2 seconds. I never betted more than 5 numbers.
Here is an other lesson from me.
Every roulette has it s own pattern.I never faced roulette without a pattern.Others had better patterns and was giving me bigger margin, others has smaller one. But every one of them had a pattern.In my early years I was playing only at the easy roulettes, where the margin was bigger and easy to spot.After a lot of successes in these easy roulettes and after having a good bank of the Casinos money I wanted to try in the roulettes with a smaller margin.
The key in these hard roulettes is observation, observation and more observation.From my experience I can say that on average I need about 30 spins to observe clock and 30 anticlock direction to be able to find the correct patterns of each direction.I always play both directions. But the most of the times, except some rare cases, the patterns are different in clock and anticlock direction, so I must use deferent strategy and different aims. The key in these hard roulettes is to be able to split your bets in 2 deferent advantage positions.In other words u must take 2 predictions from different spots in a 2 deferent rotations of the ball.E.g. Aim at the top diamond: the pattern is 12 pockets jump. Aim at the lower diamond is 7 pockets jump.
You must be able to spot the where and when to look to take the predictions.
I knew that someone soon or later was going to ask about these jump patterns. This question was predictable. The reason is because you just allmiss the point that I was explaining in my first post.
I just saw your post and I do not have time now to explain this too, because I posted a lot of things above. In my next post I will try to explain you why the jumps have always a good pattern in 1 diamond and this diamond could be the non tilted one.
I will just tell you in a quick answer.No wheel is perfect!All wheels are tilted, but the tilt is not at the diamonds anymore.It is at the speeds that the ball is hitting the diamonds. In other words the power tha the ball will arrive in that diamond and hit it.
In the old days ofcourse the tilt was so strong that it was affecting the ball in hitting 1 or 2 particular diamonds.Now days the only that is left from the slight tilt is the power that the ball trends to hit each diamond.
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I will try now to explain to you a situation pattern and the reason why it is not always wise to aim at the diamond that it is showing that the ball is hitting most if the times.
Like this pattern there are more patterns, but I can t show you all.It is impossible.You must find them in every roulette, if I would tell you all patterns it would take 10 pages and maybe I would forgot some of them.
So situation.(always clock spins)The roulette is tilted at the Top D.This means that the ball will “try” in every spin to land at the Top D,but because conditions(tilts) are not strong like in the old days,the ball will not land every time at the Top D.That does not mean that the roulette is not tilted!The tilt will be obvious because of the speeds(power) that the ball will hit every D.
From this situation this pattern will happen.
The ball will be landing on the Top D with speed A.The ball will be landing on the Right D with speed slower than speed A because the ball will “try” to land on the Top but because of not so strong tilt the ball will pass the Top D(that it is the tilted one) and will hit the Right D with less speed,less power.The ball will be hitting the left D with faster speed than speed A,because the ball was “trying” to hit the Top D(tilted one) but because of not so strong tilt the ball landed on the previous D .In that situation(pattern) we will consider the Lower D as a “dead” D.But in some situations even this D can have an advantage,but this is more complicated and I will not try to confuse you more because I can understand that these patterns are new to all of you.
So we know Top D speed ARight D speed ALow D= dead (in this example)A is the tilt value.
So from this observation we know that 3 deferent patterns in ball jump will happen.Because each ball speed means different spots of hitting the Ds.
So from this point we observe and find the Best (more stable) jump pattern and we will AIM at the best pattern…
Even if the ball is hitting more on Top D a better ball jump pattern may happen at the Right D ,because the ball hit there will less power and the ball is jumping more manageable. That was just a case…maybe the left D will show better behavior ….Anything can happen…every roulette is deferent.
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No roulette is perfect.When you call a roulette leveled is because you just see how many times the ball hit the Ds.
The how many times a D will be hit has nothing to do with a correct Visual prediction.
In an other situation as I posted before we must split out bets.
I will give a quick example.
Pattern(always clock spins)Top D hit =18 pockets jump averageRight D hit =6 pockets jump avarage
When its time to make prediction aiming the Top D you look at the position of the wheel that the ball will make 18 pockets jump.In the next rotation you are making 1 more prediction by looking really quick in an other place to take advantage of the 6 pockets jump if the ball will land on the Right D.There is nothing bad in splitting the bets. In fact is a really good thing.
Other observations are for Top D and for Low D(opposite Ds) ,or for Right D and Left D.
I will give you a real example that I faced yesterday.
Roulette pattern. In 20 anti clock spins
Top D : 4 hits Low D :5 hitsLeft D : 8 hitsRight D : 3 hits
With your way you would Aim at the Left D(8 hits )
But look what was really happening…
Top D jump : 17,11,spinner,26Low D jump : 7,2,11,9Left D jump : spinner , 12 , spinner , 30 , 21 , spinner , spinner , 0Right D jump: spinner, 6, 22,4
Can you understand which D I chose to AIM?
What if the Left D has more hits? Do you see a jump pattern? No
But if you take a look at the Low D…can you see a pattern?Of course you can.
I started playing and in the same time I was observing if the pattern was continuing to happen. You must never find the pattern and play only this! In mean time maybe another pattern will happen or maybe the existed pattern will finish!
The key:after making the predictions observe ,observe and observe again.
So by playing I observed that the Right D was having a nice patter too, with an average jump of 5 pockets.So I was splitting the bets.
I was not caring If the ball would hit the Low or the Right D,because I had the bets in both places in an advantage position according to this Roulette pattern.
Also who told you that when the ball was not hitting the Ds that I wasn t winning some spins with a little luck?
I just need 1 victory in 7 attempts to be near to even.….It is not hard
VP (visual prediction) is like a sport.Like chess or golf or any game that we need to have a strategy .It does need skills and correct judjment.
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I do not think that I have something to explain in that.
If the correct prediction will be at the 4th rotation you must not predict in any other than the 4th.
thats all.
After some training ,the brain can spot the speeds of the ball.Even if something strange is happening like the ball now in close to the correct speed but it is a little faster or slower this is an indication that the ball will do an extra rotation or 1 less(if the wheel has very strong tilt)or that the ball is going to land in an other D.
I can not teach you anything about that,it is matter of skills.
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Forester you posted :In other words you are saying; you can play perfectly leveled wheel where each of 4 V diamonds in 20 spins will get 5 hits.
Who told you that this wheel was perfectly leveled?You are confused. Like Security man and that is the reason that I am here. To help you with that. If you do not need any help ,then it is ok by me.
I have posted above that " a wheel is leveled for all of you in this forum ,when the ball is landing equal in all Ds.This is a mistake.All wheels have tilt(that we can take advantage of)I do not care if the ball pass the tilted D,because I know that passing the tilted STOP point(vertical D)it means that it will stop with less speed(power)at the next STOP point with PARTICULAR speed(power),and this is giving me a sweet scatter pattern.Now days the tilt is not strong. And the ball reasonably can not fall most of the times from the same D.But it hits the Ds with specific speed.Read my post above about 1 pattern.
As for your questions.Who told you that I bet on every spin?When I am identifying that a ball speed is not going to hit my aiming D (because it was faster or slower than my aiming speed)I do not play that spin OR I am playing it but with an other calculation about an other aiming D.I already posted that above.It is all matter of phisics.SPEEDS and POSITIONS.
I am using rotor indications in relation with the ball to be able to identify the speeds of the ball.Have you even done that???
Also in your example of probability you are forgetting that some of the spins even the spinner ones you will win by luck.
Also who told you that I am playing flat?
There are a lot of things that you do not know as I can understand from your posts.You just play with a simple way: aim at the tilted D.In 1985 this was OK.Now it is not.Casinos are developing.Are you?
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I never posted that spinners will give me or anybody an advantage.haven t you ever won from a spinner?This what I am talking about.It is not sure that If the ball will not land on your aim and will not do the scatter that you need that this spin was 100% a losing spin.
As for ms and numbers I do not care and I have never thought about it.I just see from rotor indications(pockets) if the ball has a good or a bad chance to land on my aims.And from this indication I do not bet or I bet or I am changing my aims.
If you can not seperate the rotations timings then I am sorry,I can not do anything about it
In my play the 7th rotation is the starting point where my indication starts.The 6th is the end of the indication( conclusion).the 5th is a gap between my betting to be able to do the calculations in my head and the 4th is the prediction moment.That is all that I can tell you.
It is a very rare case to miss the correct rotation.With my experience + the rotor idications it is almost impossible to miss the correct moment.
I do not know anything about crocodiles.So i am afraid that I can not help you with that.
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If you read properly in my above post for that game that i did in this roulette, I did not played only with the 1D.
read again and you will see that as the game was developing I used a second aim(D) too.,because I found a second pattern advantage .
I am sorry if your kind play is poor (only 1 dimention) for the existing condidtions.That does not mean that there is not a more advanced game.
If you feel that I am a lier or something then it is better not to post here again.I just wanted to help you with some issues,because I read that you all play with a primary Visual Prediction method that it is not enough these days.
its your call.
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this question is already covered in all my posts.
I do not aim always at the strong D.I am aiming at the best scatter pattern.Now if the strongest D has the best scatter pattern,I am aiming at it.But it is not always the case.
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